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Re: I guess now I'm seasoned. 14 years 4 months ago #34205

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I have no concern with the panel being old or being for fuses.  I do have a concern with double tapping, especially an Aluminum and a Copper together.  Considering the problems with maintaining tight connections with Aluminum, I wouldn't want to make matters worse by double tapping.  I pointed out to my client that the double tap on the fuse holder was a safety issue.  The double tap on the neutral bus is as well but to a lesser degree. The fact that the connection was loose does make me wonder though.  I have seen charred neutrals.  See the picture below.  The ground wire on the neutral bus is not that serious maybe but I have no idea why they would have done that.  Lots of room on the ground bus bar.
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Re: I guess now I'm seasoned. 14 years 4 months ago #34207

I agree Bert, failed to see that the wires were alluminum. Could not see the wire behind the double tap.
I do know that they make neutral bus bars with screws that are designed to take more than one neutral wire.

I have heard so many electricians tell me that a double tap on a neutral bar is not a problem, that I fail to believe anything anymore. I do agree on copper and allum. though.
I would still just recommend an electrician to repair anyways. I don't loose to much sleep trying to figure it out.
Let the experts fix it. Recognizing the defect is our job, fixing it is the licensed expert job ;) :).

Nice pics.
I can't find the right setting on my camera to take nice pictures like that.

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Re: I guess now I'm seasoned. 14 years 4 months ago #34209

Bert

After seeing the pics you made the right call.

This panel and wiring needs attention ASAP!!

That discoloration is very concerning. I think you client is entitled to a $250 refund.

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Re: I guess now I'm seasoned. 14 years 4 months ago #34214

Never come across alluminum wire, so looking at pictures always assume regular wiring.
I guess alluminum never made it up here.  ;D
Good job Bert.

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Re: I guess now I'm seasoned. 14 years 4 months ago #34215

Marcel

I have not seen any solid conductor aluminum wiring in my area. But I do see multiple neutrals connected at a single lug and every once and awhile the discoloration like the ones pictured.

Here is a nice illustration.

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Re: I guess now I'm seasoned. 14 years 4 months ago #34216

Thanks Dave, good illustration. But why is it okay for alluminum and not for Copper. / :)

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