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TOPIC: "You Not Licensed Electricity"

"You Not Licensed Electricity" 12 years 4 months ago #31853

I get a lot of interesting phone calls, some with valid questions that need explanations.  This particular call was interesting to say the least, but with a different intent.  This call was from the listing agent of a property I inspected a few days ago.  The purpose of her call was to try to get out of making a repair asked for by my clients.  I could hardly understand her, but it went like this:

"Jay, I Mumbledeefum, and I listing agent at (address). You licensed electricity?"  I think I understood the last part.

I am a licensed home inspector.  I am not a licensed electrician.  Why do you ask?

"You say too low voltage in basement of listing.  Report say less than 100 volts on basement circuit (she is reading slowly).  How you know that?"

I have a device to check that.  It is a little computer.
  (I check the electricity in outlets with a device that simulates an 80% load on a circuit.  I can set it to check 15 or 20amp circuits.  It puts a load on the line to see how the outlet, and circuit, responds.  It checks for 6 different things, including voltage.  It only goes down to a setting that says "< 100" which is too low.  For all I know this circuit was producing 46 volts!) The circuit should produce 120 volts or near to that.  Your basement did not.  For all I know it is only producing 50 volts.

"I never hear of computer.  I call inspector who never hear of computer.  He say all inspector need check is polarity.  He say you need be licensed electricity to check for more.  He check only polarity.  You should not do more."

Ma'am, I don't know who you are speaking with, if anybody, but I can and do check for more than polarity.  Just checking for polarity does not give much information.  And my association's Standard Operating Procedures do not say that all an inspector should check for is polarity.  And I can exceed the SOP at any time.  So, the inspector you use just checks for polarity?  That can be done with a $5 detector bought at any hardware store.  He needs better equipment.  You need a better home inspector.  (Yes, that was an intentional slam...)

She's silent but undaunted and moves on. "You report has dark color for some thing, not dark other thing.  Voltage low not dark, so no problem.  We will ignore this."

My report has lethal, dangerous, things that affect long-term habitability and such in bold.  Low voltage, while a problem, is not in bold.  It is easily diagnosed and repaired by an electrician.  But it is still a problem!  I now realize that the purpose of the call is to try to find a reason to get out of having to make a requested repair.

I didn't need a crystal ball to see that!

Low voltage is a problem that usually indicates improper or defective materials or unprofessional work.  I remember that my report also suggests that my clients ask for the remodeling permit and final occupancy permit for that work.  I think you are trying to find a reason not to fix this.  Does your client have the permits they can give to my clients for that basement?  Was the basement finished by a licensed electricity?

"You not licensed electricity.  That is why I call you.  Good bye."

She thinks she has reason to get her clients out of making a repair.  So she hung up!  Unbelievable!

My recommendation: It is best to find out why something should be done rather than what ways can be used to get out of doing something identified on a home inspection report or requested by a buyer.  Call the inspector!
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Re: "You Not Licensed Electricity" 12 years 4 months ago #31890

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You licensed electricity?  No, I licensed home inspection.
Anyways, that was an interesting read.  About that little tester that simulates 80% load;  if you find < 100 Volts with this device, would it likely show 110 or 120 V with a regular voltage tester?

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Re: "You Not Licensed Electricity" 12 years 4 months ago #31898

That's funny. I like how the listing agent believes that the buyer has to follow and believe whatever the listing agent says.

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Re: "You Not Licensed Electricity" 12 years 4 months ago #31901

The device registers from <100 to >130 volts.  Ideally an outlet should register 110 or 120.  You know, the old  E=IxR.  On this particular circuit it also registered over 15% voltage drop and > 2 Ohms.  Something was going on there.  An electrician can diagnose it.  I think the agent was way out of line.  Only an ignorant seller would trust a listing agent, who CLEARLY doesn't know what I am talking about, over a home inspector.

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Re: "You Not Licensed Electricity" 12 years 4 months ago #31904

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What I mean Jay, does the fact that your tester simulates an 80% load have an effect on the test result?  For instance, a regular voltage tester hardly puts any load on a circuit.  It there is a  circuit that has a very poor connection, it can still test at 120 V but if a load were to be put on the circuit downstream of this poor connection, it likely would have a huge voltage drop.  Your tester picks that up by registering a low voltage?

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Re: "You Not Licensed Electricity" 12 years 4 months ago #31905

Sorry, and yes!  That is the idea.  On a 15amp circuit a big vacuum cleaner would put a 12amp load, or 80%.  That is about the largest amp device put on most circuits.  So the tester mimics that by introducing that load.  And it can pick up what it causes on the rest of the circuit.  It can also trace the problem to the source outlet, if the problem is an outlet.  It checks for various things.  And easier than carrying around a big vacuum with me!  ;>)

www.professionalequipment.com/tasco-insp...20g/circuit-testers/

A "plug tester" won't do that.  It just checks configuration.  Not much info...  but I not licensed electricity.  Whole planet now know.

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